A whiff of Cordite

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Whatever about Nucifora's plan, if you were Andy Farrell would you want, for example, Connors going to Munster right now?

I think that's a big question for the powers that be at the moment, is the extra game time necessarily better than the Leinster environment? Another big one is if players would be injured less if they played more regularly, and I suppose both questions are linked.

If this post was from anyone else I would assume it was a wind up.
Lets see, Conners to Munster Right Now.
Why Conners and Why Munster.
Munster already have POM, CJ, ODonnell, Botha, Cloete, O'Suilivan. O'Donohoue, Oliver Coombes, Beirne.
Yeah, so lets throw our breakthrough player of the season over to the oul enemy before the last 2 rounds of the group phase.
Leavey is out, (so is Conan btw) VDF will be with the national set up for all of the 6N along with Ruddock leaving us well short. But no concern, as long as Munster are covered then thats just GRAND.
But why Munster?
Why not Ulster who have a serious chance of making progress in the Heino?
Why not Connacht who could do with a little help getting into the Pro14 playoffs?

Let Munster eat fcukin cake!

This is so bizarre, you seem to have read my post as "Connors should go to Munster"...which is literally the exact opposite of what I was saying.

Nucifora (and Joe) would want it IMO, there's enough examples of that to suggest it's true. But I was asking if Farrell would want it too because I don't necessarily think that he would now that he's seen Joey, Jack, and Jordi (maybe it's a J thing?) do poorly away from the Leinster coaches and intense competition. I've been going on about Munster being badly coached and also mentioned that I don't think we should lose any young players this summer because we're going to lose a lot of players through retirement/contracts ending so would have thought that was obvious.

Also, I said "for example" about Connors, the post wasn't just about him, it was about any player who would get more game time in Munster. The reason I mentioned him is because he's so good and because they have a huge gap at 7.

Honestly if you're going to suggest that my post is so stupid as to be a wind up then maybe you should reread it first.

[Morf]

But I was asking if Farrell would want it too because I don't necessarily think that he would now that he's seen Joey, Jack, and Jordi (maybe it's a J thing?) do poorly away from the Leinster coaches and intense competition.

Bit harsh on Jordi, no?

Been a bit mixed but has certainly hit more highs than the other two.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

But I was asking if Farrell would want it too because I don't necessarily think that he would now that he's seen Joey, Jack, and Jordi (maybe it's a J thing?) do poorly away from the Leinster coaches and intense competition.

Bit harsh on Jordi, no?

Been a bit mixed but has certainly hit more highs than the other two.

Yeah poor choice of words. I think he's played well but it's gone poorly for him in that he didn't make the original World Cup squad or the stock take at Christmas. Would he have made both squads if he'd stayed with Leinster? I certainly think it's possible.

[leinsterforever]

Amiddst all this talk of Leinster players being "re-distibuted", there's an argument to be made that the reverse would be better for Ireland - players like Craig Casey, Ben Healy, Jack O'Sullivan and John Hodnett would probably progress faster and ultimately end up better players if they were training and playing with Leinster.

[Oldschool]

Amiddst all this talk of Leinster players being "re-distibuted", there's an argument to be made that the reverse would be better for Ireland - players like Craig Casey, Ben Healy, Jack O'Sullivan and John Hodnett would probably progress faster and ultimately end up better players if they were training and playing with Leinster.

So Leinster ships out the finished article, takes in the raw material for a couple of years and then takes back the original transferees. Yeah that could work.
Are you Nucifora in disguise?

[ronk]

Amiddst all this talk of Leinster players being "re-distibuted", there's an argument to be made that the reverse would be better for Ireland - players like Craig Casey, Ben Healy, Jack O'Sullivan and John Hodnett would probably progress faster and ultimately end up better players if they were training and playing with Leinster.

So Leinster ships out the finished article, takes in the raw material for a couple of years and then takes back the original transferees. Yeah that could work.
Are you Nucifora in disguise?

We're better at developing talent so we should be given the pick of theirs; in the interests of the player and the Irish team, naturally.

The full weight of the soft pressure exerted by Nucifora should come to bear on the player thus honoured so that they are fully aware of their opportunity.

We can always stop doing it whenever they actually get good enough at development.

In the meantime it would enhance competition in our academy to the benefit of them all.

[Ruckedtobits]

Amiddst all this talk of Leinster players being "re-distibuted", there's an argument to be made that the reverse would be better for Ireland - players like Craig Casey, Ben Healy, Jack O'Sullivan and John Hodnett would probably progress faster and ultimately end up better players if they were training and playing with Leinster.

So Leinster ships out the finished article, takes in the raw material for a couple of years and then takes back the original transferees. Yeah that could work.
Are you Nucifora in disguise?

We're better at developing talent so we should be given the pick of theirs; in the interests of the player and the Irish team, naturally.

The full weight of the soft pressure exerted by Nucifora should come to bear on the player thus honoured so that they are fully aware of their opportunity.

We can always stop doing it whenever they actually get good enough at development.

In the meantime it would enhance competition in our academy to the benefit of them all.

More competition in our Academy is not the ideal requirement at the moment. The Academy (and overall Leinster Squad) has an optimum capacity which is very close to maxed out at present. Enlargement will require more Coaches & more space and that will dilute the impact and manner of working with the senior Coaches as recently described by Lancaster.

A lot of consideration and evaluation, both internal and external, has gone into assessing what numbers work and what represents overload, right down to numbers of individuals in various positions. There is a degree of latitude but not much and it would be crazy to entertain thoughts of fundamentally altering the Academy for an uncertain outcome.

So whether it is journos just running up a flag to fill space or an IRFU official feeding an interprovincial dispute, anybody who really wants to alter the objectives of the Leinster Academy should think long and hard about the outcomes.

Leinster's Academy has taken a dozen years to arrive at this point and it has had the current structure and outputs for about three Seasons. It didn't happen overnight or by accident. Each Province needs to tinker and adjust their own Academy set-up until it serves their needs, not somebody elses. That's one of the beauties of Irish rugby, each Province is different with varied needs.

[Oldschool]

Parking semantics, the provinces are the IRFU.
So rumours emanating from the IRFU may well be emanating from a constituent.

[TerenureJim]

Maybe the solution is NFL draft, worst province in any season gets first pick of schools talent/AIL u20 regardless of branch of school/club provided player is happy to take academy contract with them ensures even distribution.

[mildlyinterested]

Maybe the solution is NFL draft, worst province in any season gets first pick of schools talent/AIL u20 regardless of branch of school/club provided player is happy to take academy contract with them ensures even distribution.

Or the other pool rovinces could get the finger out and stop relying on Leinster players.

[mildlyinterested]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishm ... 228010.amp

Why would young players not want to work daily with Stuart Lancaster? Hell would would the irfu want some of the best young talent in the country not getting coached and developed by him?

[mildlyinterested]

More of that shite talk on Luke's podcast. You'd swear Leinster were there to provide players to the other provinces.

Also luke says Leinster were smashed by Saracens in the final. Which is bollix.

[ronk]

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More competition in our Academy is not the ideal requirement at the moment. The Academy (and overall Leinster Squad) has an optimum capacity which is very close to maxed out at present. Enlargement will require more Coaches & more space and that will dilute the impact and manner of working with the senior Coaches as recently described by Lancaster.

A lot of consideration and evaluation, both internal and external, has gone into assessing what numbers work and what represents overload, right down to numbers of individuals in various positions. There is a degree of latitude but not much and it would be crazy to entertain thoughts of fundamentally altering the Academy for an uncertain outcome.

So whether it is journos just running up a flag to fill space or an IRFU official feeding an interprovincial dispute, anybody who really wants to alter the objectives of the Leinster Academy should think long and hard about the outcomes.

Leinster's Academy has taken a dozen years to arrive at this point and it has had the current structure and outputs for about three Seasons. It didn't happen overnight or by accident. Each Province needs to tinker and adjust their own Academy set-up until it serves their needs, not somebody elses. That's one of the beauties of Irish rugby, each Province is different with varied needs.

The academy wouldnt need to grow. We could take on the occasional player from other provinces with the potential to be an elite international and develop him for our own use. Someone wouldn't make the academy but there'd be an opening created elsewhere.

There was a story last year that Leinster tried to recruit Craig Casey but Munster were able to keep him by immediately offering him a dev contract. So Nucifora allowed Munster to help prevent poaching by us. But we have a better academy and the prospects for him and for the Irish team are better in Leinster. If the situation had been reversed he could have been encouraged into our academy and he'd be an environment with a better track record for developing prospects. If anyone is to punished for the standard of their player development pathway ut should be Munster, not us. And this point needs to be made wider so that the wider fan base understands the preventable damage that is being done to the game.

[olaf the fat]

Maybe the solution is NFL draft, worst province in any season gets first pick of schools talent/AIL u20 regardless of branch of school/club provided player is happy to take academy contract with them ensures even distribution.

I think the NFL draft is at the post college stage (?) whereas our academy entrance is more or less pre college stage. Its a big difference in pay level and career stage. May force young players away from heading towards the top level.

[LeRouxIsPHat]

Fainga'a is leaving Connacht so they'e going to need a 7...

[Peg Leg]

Fainga'a is leaving Connacht so they'e going to need a 7...

On the count of three, one must lobeth the holy hand grenade. Not one, nor two, but three...

[mildlyinterested]

Fainga'a is leaving Connacht so they'e going to need a 7...

He's called Paul Boyle.

[bronxbull]

Fainga'a is leaving Connacht so they'e going to need a 7...

He's called Paul Boyle.

So we have already provided them with a back row from our sub academy...

[mildlyinterested]

Fainga'a is leaving Connacht so they'e going to need a 7...

He's called Paul Boyle.

So we have already provided them with a back row from our sub academy...

Eoghan Masterson, Sean Masterson, Robin Copeland, Paul Boyle...

They could have offered Ronan Watters an academy place last summer. Etc etc.

[Avenger]

More of that shite talk on Luke's podcast. You'd swear Leinster were there to provide players to the other provinces.

Also luke says Leinster were smashed by Saracens in the final. Which is bollix.

Jesus Fitzgerald is hard to listen to.