Conway got 2 winners medals in the last 8 day's of his Leinster career. Then he disappeared for about 4 years before slowly becoming the palyer he is now, that's 4 years lost.bluemagic wrote:How many games did Bill Johnston get down in Munster before he was shipped out to Ulster? Why would Harry Byrne coming in get any more game time?Dave Cahill wrote:Heres the problem though. Taking the positions mentioned above
We have 4 number 7s - Leavy, vd Flier, Connors, Penny
We have 3 number 8s - Conan, Deegan, Doris
We have 4 outhalves - Sexton, Byrne, Frawley, Byrne
We play 32 games.
The problem is that we don't have enough games for the players we have. Now, 12-15% of players will be injured at any one time, that provides opportunities but it isn't something you can plan a career around.
The other big opportunity is as much a problem as it is an opportunity. International windows. There is gametime available during international windows. But for many of the players listed above - in fact probably for all but two or three, that opportunity to play is a negative, because it means you haven't made the national squad. And if one of the reasons you feel you haven't made the squad is because you haven't had enough gametime and exposure, then it becomes a loop of disgruntlement. No matter how professional the players are, and they are, they're going to be pissed off.
And the reality of Irish Rugby is that we exist to service the national team.
Another problem is that amongst the many things Nucifora is demonstrably sh!t at, is managing this process in a way that doesn't create resentment like the way it was done when Carbery was moved, or the way it's being done now
The reality is the best place for players to develop is at Leinster because they have the best coaching and are afforded more game time than any other province.
If players are forced to move on it should be players like McFadden, Adam Byrne, Bent rather than the young guys we are developing.
Also, as a young player how many of the moves to different teams have been a success? Maybe Conway?
Tadgh Beirne's career blossomed when he went to Scarlets, played some wonderful stuff, has not really done it down south though.
Cooney played in a heino final before joining Connacht, I can't remember him playing for them tbh.
Joey, dear oh dear.