Team for Connaught

[the economist]

Anybody any ideas, we know about BoD, but what about Mal & FC?

[quietly confident]

Apparently FC will be ok, not sure mal will go 80mins but hes sure to get a run.

[Leinsterman]

Where's "Connaught"?

[Colm]

Where's "Connaught"?

Not a clue - Maybe it's somewhere close to Connught??

[claire_m]

Where's "Connaught"?

In London. Looks quite nice, actually!

http://www.theconnaughthotellondon.com/home/home.asp

[Leinsterman]

Where's "Connaught"?

In London. Looks quite nice, actually!

http://www.theconnaughthotellondon.com/home/home.asp

It is! They also seem to have a rugby team too - must be the staff.

[the economist]

Bad speller. My mistake.

[Dave Cahill]

Bad speller. My mistake.

You are not a bad speller. You spelt the word correctly. You were speaking (typing) in the English language so you used the English word for the province. Connacht is an Irish word and if used in an English sentence should be italicised. Its like calling Ireland Eire. Fine in Irish, incorrect in English

[packie]

OK but The team leinster will be playing are Connacht rugby not Connaught rugby
website http://www.connachtrugby.ie

[packie]

OK but The team leinster will be playing are Connacht rugby not Connaught rugby
website http://www.connachtrugby.ie

Sorry Connacht rugby

[Dave Cahill]

OK but The team leinster will be playing are Connacht rugby not Connaught rugby
website http://www.connachtrugby.ie

Sorry Connacht rugby

True, and as a Brand name thats fine. But the questioner asked "wheres Connaught" treating it as a place, so therefore the original poster was correct, if you see what I mean

[the economist]

Have you nothing better to do?

[Sea_point]

OK but The team leinster will be playing are Connacht rugby not Connaught rugby
website http://www.connachtrugby.ie

Sorry Connacht rugby

True, and as a Brand name thats fine. But the questioner asked "wheres Connaught" treating it as a place, so therefore the original poster was correct, if you see what I mean

The Government would disagree as the official name of the Province is Connacht or Chúige na Connachta or Cúige Chonnacht, Connaught being the old or Middle English which was used to enable English speakers to pronounce the name as -cht was more or less unpronouncable to them.

Here let me bore you more....

The spelling Connaught reflects the former English practice — in Ireland, though not in Scotland — of representing the Gaelic voiceless velar fricative /x/ as gh (compare lough for loch), gh having been used in Middle English for the same sound. Although this sound later disappeared from standard English, the spelling of words like "thought" and "caught" remained unaltered -- and in a further Anglicisation the "new" English pronunciation of -aught was even applied in England to titles like that of the Duke of Connaught. In Ireland, however, the original pronunciation having remained intact, the Gaelic-style spelling Connacht is now used more often in English. It may have gained currency by mistranslation of the Irish name into English: in Irish, the form Cúige Chonnacht 'province of Connacht' is almost always used, and this may have led to people misunderstanding genitive case Connacht as the Gaelic version instead of nominative case Connachta.

We're an Irish nation and that entitles us to name our land as we prefer, so while I would accept a mispronunciation from a non-Irish English speaker, after correction I would expect them to use the common term out of courtesy. In the same way that while we may refer to Limerick as "Stab City" in jest (from a safe distance ), in conversation Limerick is the term used.

None of us speaks Middle English which came about after the arrival of the Normans, as in the main it fell out of use in the 1500's so there is no reason to use incorrect terms that do not form part of the current spoken and written language. If English firms wish to use Connaught as a brand name, fine let them. But the name of the Province in Ireland is Connacht or Chúige na Connachta. Not too much to ask people to entertain a common courtesy is it..??

[chillers]

Sorry Connacht rugby

True, and as a Brand name thats fine. But the questioner asked "wheres Connaught" treating it as a place, so therefore the original poster was correct, if you see what I mean

The Government would disagree as the official name of the Province is Connacht or Chúige na Connachta or Cúige Chonnacht, Connaught being the old or Middle English which was used to enable English speakers to pronounce the name as -cht was more or less unpronouncable to them.

Here let me bore you more....

The spelling Connaught reflects the former English practice — in Ireland, though not in Scotland — of representing the Gaelic voiceless velar fricative /x/ as gh (compare lough for loch), gh having been used in Middle English for the same sound. Although this sound later disappeared from standard English, the spelling of words like "thought" and "caught" remained unaltered -- and in a further Anglicisation the "new" English pronunciation of -aught was even applied in England to titles like that of the Duke of Connaught. In Ireland, however, the original pronunciation having remained intact, the Gaelic-style spelling Connacht is now used more often in English. It may have gained currency by mistranslation of the Irish name into English: in Irish, the form Cúige Chonnacht 'province of Connacht' is almost always used, and this may have led to people misunderstanding genitive case Connacht as the Gaelic version instead of nominative case Connachta.

We're an Irish nation and that entitles us to name our land as we prefer, so while I would accept a mispronunciation from a non-Irish English speaker, after correction I would expect them to use the common term out of courtesy. In the same way that while we may refer to Limerick as "Stab City" in jest (from a safe distance ), in conversation Limerick is the term used.

None of us speaks Middle English which came about after the arrival of the Normans, as in the main it fell out of use in the 1500's so there is no reason to use incorrect terms that do not form part of the current spoken and written language. If English firms wish to use Connaught as a brand name, fine let them. But the name of the Province in Ireland is Connacht or Chúige na Connachta. Not too much to ask people to entertain a common courtesy is it..??

So why is Lough Ree not spelled Loch?

[Leinsterman]

Thank you SeaPoint!

That whole phonetic spelling is null and void anyway. You constantly hear English pundits refer to Connacht as Con-NOUGHT, so the "Connaught" spelling doesn't hold water even then... it doesn't even come close to how it's supposed to be pronounced.

[Flash Gordon]

Well, I for one think that Connaught should be banned. They're just a drain on the IRFU really.....

[Sea_point]

Well, I for one think that Connaught should be banned. They're just a drain on the IRFU really.....

Well given your "Alma Mater" Flash, you're excused....

[Sea_point]

True, and as a Brand name thats fine. But the questioner asked "wheres Connaught" treating it as a place, so therefore the original poster was correct, if you see what I mean

The Government would disagree as the official name of the Province is Connacht or Chúige na Connachta or Cúige Chonnacht, Connaught being the old or Middle English which was used to enable English speakers to pronounce the name as -cht was more or less unpronouncable to them.

Here let me bore you more....

The spelling Connaught reflects the former English practice — in Ireland, though not in Scotland — of representing the Gaelic voiceless velar fricative /x/ as gh (compare lough for loch), gh having been used in Middle English for the same sound. Although this sound later disappeared from standard English, the spelling of words like "thought" and "caught" remained unaltered -- and in a further Anglicisation the "new" English pronunciation of -aught was even applied in England to titles like that of the Duke of Connaught. In Ireland, however, the original pronunciation having remained intact, the Gaelic-style spelling Connacht is now used more often in English. It may have gained currency by mistranslation of the Irish name into English: in Irish, the form Cúige Chonnacht 'province of Connacht' is almost always used, and this may have led to people misunderstanding genitive case Connacht as the Gaelic version instead of nominative case Connachta.

We're an Irish nation and that entitles us to name our land as we prefer, so while I would accept a mispronunciation from a non-Irish English speaker, after correction I would expect them to use the common term out of courtesy. In the same way that while we may refer to Limerick as "Stab City" in jest (from a safe distance ), in conversation Limerick is the term used.

None of us speaks Middle English which came about after the arrival of the Normans, as in the main it fell out of use in the 1500's so there is no reason to use incorrect terms that do not form part of the current spoken and written language. If English firms wish to use Connaught as a brand name, fine let them. But the name of the Province in Ireland is Connacht or Chúige na Connachta. Not too much to ask people to entertain a common courtesy is it..??

So why is Lough Ree not spelled Loch?

Blame those bloody Englanders again. Now the Empire is gone they should ban them from stepping outside their country in case they do any more damage (Sorry Mort... )


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lough

[icebaby]

"COBO'S AVA" - what is this? It's up on ticketmaster in relation to tickets for this week's game.?

[packie]

Thank you SeaPoint! Thanks S_P is right

That whole phonetic spelling is null and void anyway. You constantly hear English pundits refer to Connacht as Con-NOUGHT, so the "Connaught" spelling doesn't hold water even then... it doesn't even come close to how it's supposed to be pronounced.

I was watching the rugby club on sky a few months back and the host Miles Harrison(?) was on about the Challenge cup and he mentioned ConnACHT as opposed to Connaught, then he looked over at Reggie Corrigan and said "right Reggie?"
Reggie says "yes ConnACHT", I was delighted. no-one can say a bad word about Corrigan when I'm around

Fair play Reggie, Respect