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MunsterSugar wrote:
munster#1 wrote:
MunsterSugar wrote:Trimble out with broken hand
Conway would be a great bench option.
Thinks its more clear cut. Payne to 13 Ringrose to 23 or other way around I'd say.
I think Payne at No23 is a great selection. He covers two difficult positions in fullback and outside centre [in the case of injury] and could certainly add impact if brought on tactically at fullback – not so much at centre though.

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Ruckedtobits wrote:Wales Online select a combined Ireland / Wales XV this morning and there are 11 Irish selected. Up front, only Rory Best and Dev lose out to their opposite numbers whilst George North and Jonathon Davies make the team from the Welsh backline. Interesting selection and their rationale makes fascinating reading.
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munster#1 wrote:
MunsterSugar wrote:Trimble out with broken hand
Conway would be a great bench option.
I thought he was starting for Munster these days.
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@Oldschool that joke would be some bit good if in a general thread or Munster thread but desperate in an obvious Irish thread. Standards are slipping badly.

@Hugonaut I'd agree eith that but think Schmidt is obsessed with Payne at 13 to lead defensive system. And now with Trimble out of the equation it's fair to say only him and Henshaw are solid defensive options out of all backs past 9 and 10.
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MunsterSugar wrote:@Oldschool that joke would be some bit good if in a general thread or Munster thread but desperate in an obvious Irish thread. Standards are slipping badly.

@Hugonaut I'd agree eith that but think Schmidt is obsessed with Payne at 13 to lead defensive system. And now with Trimble out of the equation it's fair to say only him and Henshaw are solid defensive options out of all backs past 9 and 10.
The suggestion was worthy of the response it received.
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MunsterSugar wrote:@Oldschool that joke would be some bit good if in a general thread or Munster thread but desperate in an obvious Irish thread. Standards are slipping badly.

@Hugonaut I'd agree eith that but think Schmidt is obsessed with Payne at 13 to lead defensive system. And now with Trimble out of the equation it's fair to say only him and Henshaw are solid defensive options out of all backs past 9 and 10.
The funny thing is, with everyone fit, Conway is probably on the bench. With Sweetnam, Earls and Zebo as first choice.

Bit harsh on earls and Zebo there. Defensively they have been very good imo. Against Scotland many blamed earls for the poor defence which was completely wrong.

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If Trimble is out then back three RK Zebo and Earls.
As others have said Payne/Ringrose 13/23 is likely.
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Oldschool wrote:
MunsterSugar wrote:@Oldschool that joke would be some bit good if in a general thread or Munster thread but desperate in an obvious Irish thread. Standards are slipping badly.

@Hugonaut I'd agree eith that but think Schmidt is obsessed with Payne at 13 to lead defensive system. And now with Trimble out of the equation it's fair to say only him and Henshaw are solid defensive options out of all backs past 9 and 10.
The suggestion was worthy of the response it received.
Maybe not as Schmidt namedropped Conway in past. I don't think myself he'd be 23 but it is possible.
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munster#1 wrote:
MunsterSugar wrote:@Oldschool that joke would be some bit good if in a general thread or Munster thread but desperate in an obvious Irish thread. Standards are slipping badly.

@Hugonaut I'd agree eith that but think Schmidt is obsessed with Payne at 13 to lead defensive system. And now with Trimble out of the equation it's fair to say only him and Henshaw are solid defensive options out of all backs past 9 and 10.
The funny thing is, with everyone fit, Conway is probably on the bench. With Sweetnam, Earls and Zebo as first choice.

Bit harsh on earls and Zebo there. Defensively they have been very good imo. Against Scotland many blamed earls for the poor defence which was completely wrong.
Again I'm probably Earls biggest fan. He very solid defensively snd best of rest but lets be honest Payne and Henshaw and Trimble are streets ahead in that area. Earls is best of rest I'd say. I'm basing that on overall not just last few weeks
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munster#1 wrote:
MunsterSugar wrote:@Oldschool that joke would be some bit good if in a general thread or Munster thread but desperate in an obvious Irish thread. Standards are slipping badly.

@Hugonaut I'd agree eith that but think Schmidt is obsessed with Payne at 13 to lead defensive system. And now with Trimble out of the equation it's fair to say only him and Henshaw are solid defensive options out of all backs past 9 and 10.
The funny thing is, with everyone fit, Conway is probably on the bench. With Sweetnam, Earls and Zebo as first choice.

Bit harsh on earls and Zebo there. Defensively they have been very good imo. Against Scotland many blamed earls for the poor defence which was completely wrong.
I can't remember that at all.
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paddyor wrote:
munster#1 wrote:
MunsterSugar wrote:@Oldschool that joke would be some bit good if in a general thread or Munster thread but desperate in an obvious Irish thread. Standards are slipping badly.

@Hugonaut I'd agree eith that but think Schmidt is obsessed with Payne at 13 to lead defensive system. And now with Trimble out of the equation it's fair to say only him and Henshaw are solid defensive options out of all backs past 9 and 10.
The funny thing is, with everyone fit, Conway is probably on the bench. With Sweetnam, Earls and Zebo as first choice.

Bit harsh on earls and Zebo there. Defensively they have been very good imo. Against Scotland many blamed earls for the poor defence which was completely wrong.
I can't remember that at all.
For Hoggs try I think or was it when he made try many blamed Earls
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Joe will surely put Payne in a 13 now that hes back fit, I think Payne is just his type of defensive player. Imo O'Brien has played pretty well since hes come back, but not at the level he was playing at in the past. Leavy is the form 7 in the country and is a 'true' 7. He really reminds me of a McCAW/Cane type player who has unbelieveable patience and vision at the breakdown as well as powerful carrying ability. I can see O'Mahony coming in for O'Brien for his lineout/leadership skills and Healy replacing McGrath for his recent better form. Would love to see Leavy starting at 7, but I feel it might be abit soon for Joe, he is very cautious about throwing young players in.

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MunsterSugar wrote:
paddyor wrote:
munster#1 wrote: The funny thing is, with everyone fit, Conway is probably on the bench. With Sweetnam, Earls and Zebo as first choice.

Bit harsh on earls and Zebo there. Defensively they have been very good imo. Against Scotland many blamed earls for the poor defence which was completely wrong.
I can't remember that at all.
For Hoggs try I think or was it when he made try many blamed Earls
He was a bit harshly blamed for the position that led to Hoggs first try, not for being missing the tackle (did he actually miss the tackle) but rather for a very poor touch which gave a dominant Scottish line out an attacking line out . He could have given it to RK who was in a better position to find touch.

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Payne played the full 80 for ulster. Played rightly, but was completely bushwhacked by the end of it. That's pro 12 level. At home. To treviso. During the 6nations window. He's a quality player, but can't see that he is close to fit for international rugby yet, never mind two games like this. Maybe, maybe off the bench as Hugo says, but he'd be doing well to get that.

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MunsterSugar wrote:
paddyor wrote:
munster#1 wrote:The funny thing is, with everyone fit, Conway is probably on the bench. With Sweetnam, Earls and Zebo as first choice.

Bit harsh on earls and Zebo there. Defensively they have been very good imo. Against Scotland many blamed earls for the poor defence which was completely wrong.
I can't remember that at all.
For Hoggs try I think or was it when he made try many blamed Earls
Thats one try(and I'm not sure it was his fault - mistake was made in midfield IIRC). Can't remember anyone blaming him for the others. Think munster#1 is talking nonsense.
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MunsterSugar wrote:
Oldschool wrote:
MunsterSugar wrote:@Oldschool that joke would be some bit good if in a general thread or Munster thread but desperate in an obvious Irish thread. Standards are slipping badly.

@Hugonaut I'd agree eith that but think Schmidt is obsessed with Payne at 13 to lead defensive system. And now with Trimble out of the equation it's fair to say only him and Henshaw are solid defensive options out of all backs past 9 and 10.
The suggestion was worthy of the response it received.
Maybe not as Schmidt namedropped Conway in past. I don't think myself he'd be 23 but it is possible.
Schmidt does like to name-drop though. He mentioned McCloskey the other week, even though no one sees him close to the team, unless there are a few injuries

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I thought most people blamed Ringrose above others for our defensive failures against Scotland but always with the caveats young and learning etc.

No witch hunt against players as it was a systems failing eerily reminiscent of Argentina.

With Trimble out it's Payne in surely. And I would suspect the bench.
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fourthirtythree wrote:I thought most people blamed Ringrose above others for our defensive failures against Scotland but always with the caveats young and learning etc.

No witch hunt against players as it was a systems failing eerily reminiscent of Argentina.

With Trimble out it's Payne in surely. And I would suspect the bench.
Agree - his options are Bowe Gilroy Conway or TOH a- and while I'd have one of them I don't see Schmidt picking one of them

Payne on the bench will leave us very light for wing coverage though - Ringrose covering wing is a big ask for him. Its a more sensible option to have someone who can cover wing on the bench as the starting wingers will cover fb and 13. But question will probably only be whether Payne starts or benches

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Golf Man wrote:
fourthirtythree wrote:I thought most people blamed Ringrose above others for our defensive failures against Scotland but always with the caveats young and learning etc.

No witch hunt against players as it was a systems failing eerily reminiscent of Argentina.

With Trimble out it's Payne in surely. And I would suspect the bench.
Agree - his options are Bowe Gilroy Conway or TOH a- and while I'd have one of them I don't see Schmidt picking one of them

Payne on the bench will leave us very light for wing coverage though - Ringrose covering wing is a big ask for him. Its a more sensible option to have someone who can cover wing on the bench as the starting wingers will cover fb and 13. But question will probably only be whether Payne starts or benches
Ringrise ticks a lot of boxes for 23.
He covers 12, 13 and wing.
His defence is good and has played for Leinster on the wing.
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Oldschool wrote: Ringrise ticks a lot of boxes for 23.
He covers 12, 13 and wing.
His defence is good and has played for Leinster on the wing.
He does although he has very limited experience on the wing (maybe what 8/9 Pro 12 games at the start of last year). I'd prefer someone more experienced to come in if need be to cover Earls/Zebo. But ideally I want Ringrose retained to start at 13. I think himself and Henshaw should be retained for the last 2 games

I think he'll go consevrative though and we'll have Kearney at 15 and payne at 13

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