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simonokeeffe wrote: No on RK but I think others shone and shone brightly in their abscence. Zebo is now Munsters fullback, where Payne plays for Ulster will be telling. DK has routinely been behind several others

Joe's Ireland have had a eureka moment with attacking fullbacks and nearly everyone is now playing a wide wide game. Plus we (know we) dont have the front 5 to play narrow
no more

Plus side is Leinster have spare/better options at 15 and if RK starts for Ireland by choice then chances are Ringrose is available more which would be damn good news for Leinster
What eureka moment? We lost two out of three tests against a fairly unimpressive Bok side!
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Dave Cahill wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote: No on RK but I think others shone and shone brightly in their abscence. Zebo is now Munsters fullback, where Payne plays for Ulster will be telling. DK has routinely been behind several others

Joe's Ireland have had a eureka moment with attacking fullbacks and nearly everyone is now playing a wide wide game. Plus we (know we) dont have the front 5 to play narrow
no more

Plus side is Leinster have spare/better options at 15 and if RK starts for Ireland by choice then chances are Ringrose is available more which would be damn good news for Leinster
What eureka moment? We lost two out of three tests against a fairly unimpressive Bok side!
we saw what Payne could do and we played much more attacking/sexy rugby missing 15 or so players, away from home, end of long season, back to back tests, altitude, world cup year, cant buy red lemonade there, man sent off, they shouldve had a man sent off, missed their mammies etc etc
and that Bok team got a lot better once they went Lions heavy

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Plus Payne missed the last test and our attack was much worse in that game.

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Getting back to the original post, what would you think if I said this year's budget is not yet sorted out and the million euros to each province was a bit of journalistic waffle.
Looking like cuts to Leinster and Ulster to keep the Turnips afloat

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I would think thank f our wage bill is down but that aint right
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If true and I have no reason to suspect otherwise it is a diabolical situation that provinces don't know how much they have in the pot for contracts as it is that time of year for negotiations to begin.

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Typical management strategy is to seek to dampen expectations before negotiations begin.
Are expectations high?
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Oldschool wrote:Typical management strategy is to seek to dampen expectations before negotiations begin.
Are expectations high?
They know funding will be cut

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rooster wrote:
Oldschool wrote:Typical management strategy is to seek to dampen expectations before negotiations begin.
Are expectations high?
They know funding will be cut
Up to or above the €500k promised?

It's one thing to cut the budget- assuming for next season- but to do so after making a big play about saving the provincial skins earlier in the year is callous.
Is this legal, particularly after the IRFU announced figures for each province?
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Peg Leg wrote:
rooster wrote:
Oldschool wrote:Typical management strategy is to seek to dampen expectations before negotiations begin.
Are expectations high?
They know funding will be cut
Up to or above the €500k promised?

It's one thing to cut the budget- assuming for next season- but to do so after making a big play about saving the provincial skins earlier in the year is callous.
Is this legal, particularly after the IRFU announced figures for each province?
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They will say we never said we would give you 500k

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As an example of the money difference between Irish and English sides Exeter have released their figures for last year and they have an income in excess of £5 million more than us, now they are a club that is not pulling in a huge tax dodge or twisting the books so it is probably as good a comparison as you will get

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rooster wrote:As an example of the money difference between Irish and English sides Exeter have released their figures for last year and they have an income in excess of £5 million more than us, now they are a club that is not pulling in a huge tax dodge or twisting the books so it is probably as good a comparison as you will get
They were living within means and owned own ground. Saw this posted elsewhere but those figures may be an anomaly due to hosting world cup matches
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A lot of club related revenue probably doesn't touch the books here though, thanks to the IRFU.
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simonokeeffe wrote:
rooster wrote:As an example of the money difference between Irish and English sides Exeter have released their figures for last year and they have an income in excess of £5 million more than us, now they are a club that is not pulling in a huge tax dodge or twisting the books so it is probably as good a comparison as you will get
They were living within means and owned own ground. Saw this posted elsewhere but those figures may be an anomaly due to hosting world cup matches
They ran a profit of £1.2 million up from the previous year of 900k, yes RWC added a bit but they are better funded than our sides

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rooster wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote:
rooster wrote:As an example of the money difference between Irish and English sides Exeter have released their figures for last year and they have an income in excess of £5 million more than us, now they are a club that is not pulling in a huge tax dodge or twisting the books so it is probably as good a comparison as you will get
They were living within means and owned own ground. Saw this posted elsewhere but those figures may be an anomaly due to hosting world cup matches
They ran a profit of £1.2 million up from the previous year of 900k, yes RWC added a bit but they are better funded than our sides
thats finer detail alright

Benefits of big tv deal and the money for EPS/Saxons is pretty good too
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simonokeeffe wrote:
rooster wrote:
simonokeeffe wrote: They were living within means and owned own ground. Saw this posted elsewhere but those figures may be an anomaly due to hosting world cup matches
They ran a profit of £1.2 million up from the previous year of 900k, yes RWC added a bit but they are better funded than our sides
thats finer detail alright

Benefits of big tv deal and the money for EPS/Saxons is pretty good too
And when you take into account they are one of the lowest funded sides it makes the difference even worse.
We will never match or even get anywhere near their TV deals, in fact entire PRO12 TV money is probably not much more than one PRL Club get !

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