IRISH TIMES
‘Your father works for my father’: Schools rugby turning toxic in the stands
Supporter behaviour at Donnybrook could have more serious legal implications
Owen Doyle
The Leinster Branch of the IRFU issued a warning to rugby schools competing at Donnybrook over the behaviour of fans
I didn’t think I’d return to schools rugby so soon. But something is going very wrong, and its happening off the pitch.
I have attended many schools matches, and have seen at first hand the reasons why the Leinster Branch of the IRFU have found it necessary to issue a letter of warning to all schools in the Senior Cup quarter-finals which have just concluded. Gavin Cummiskey outlined the letter very well here last week.
Let me choose my words carefully.
Firstly, it is not all schools, nor all past pupils, and I do not wish to tarnish those who do promote the true ethos of rugby. But it is too many.
Basically, current and past pupils, through the letter to the schools, have been told that further incidents will mean that An Garda Síochána will take action. It is their duty.
A week or so ago a group of past pupils from one of the foremost fee-paying schools in Dublin approached Donnybrook prior to a match dressed to intimidate, heads covered with hoodies. They were likely to cause trouble, fuelled perhaps by alcohol.
The schools do distance themselves from the actions of past pupils and cannot be responsible for them. But do these young men just leave school and then suddenly turn to thuggery, or is there an underlying lack of discipline in some schools these days?
These are schools which it is an absolute privilege to attend, and they produce very high levels of students who go onto third level, and subsequently make great contributions in their chosen fields. They seem to have forgotten how fortunate they are in society.
They also seem to be completely unaware that, in a split second, the sort of trouble that their behaviour can provoke is capable of turning into an investigation, a criminal charge and a conviction. This would see young mens’ dreams, and all for which they have so far striven, disappear before their very eyes. Parents, who have spent a fortune on providing the best education, must be horrified.
The past pupils tend to congregate at each end of the terrace facing the stand at Donnybrook. It is an intimidating place, the language is foul and the verbal abuse of match officials and of opposing players is appalling. The throwing-in hooker, who is but a couple of metres away, gets a particularly torrid time.
I also heard some comments that could only be described as on the cusp of racial abuse.
The use of flares is both frightening and dangerous.
The actions of some coaching staff can be completely unacceptable, upright in the stands they roar complaints, spreading their arms wide in disbelief and derision at the decisions of match officials. This encourages further abuse from the pupils; it is not a good example.
It is important to state that the match officials are volunteers. They are not paid, giving their time freely. What if they did not?
These schools, and they don’t have to be named here, seem unaware of some of the shouting coming from their supporters. Here are two examples I heard: “Your father works for my father” and “we pay fees”.
Shameful.
There is a gap now to the semi-finals and final. It gives an opportunity for everyone to put their house in order; and to demand and ensure that the opposition and the match officials are respected by current and former pupils.
Otherwise, accountability is on the way, and it won’t be to the school. It may well be to the courts.
– Owen Doyle is a former Test referee and former director of referees with the IRFU
"Your father works for my father" Brilliant.
I actually thought this was a bit of a skit article, ROC or some other comedian. But no, Owen Doyle.
When DLSP won the Senior cup the joke was that no bins were collected the next day because all the parents were out celebrating.
Funny how no matter how things change they stay the same
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4. Jack Guinane
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6. Mark Dennis
7. Calum Dowling
8. Will Hickey
9. Oisin Devitt
10. Louis McDonagh
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Tuesday, 25 February: St Vincent’s Castleknock College v St Mary’s College
Wednesday, 26 February: St Michael’s College v Newbridge College
Thursday, 27 February: Blackrock College v Clongowes Wood College
Castleknock in the semi final of the Junior and Senior Cup..this has to be the schools best year in decades! Be interesting to see if they keep this up in the coming years
Castleknock Mary's. Poor game today. Cant see knock making final
Not bad from Roscrea to only lose by 4 points to nure. Numbers in Roscrea are always small but it's not as much a problem at senior level but very much is at junior.
Pilotman123 wrote:Castleknock in the semi final of the Junior and Senior Cup..this has to be the schools best year in decades! Be interesting to see if they keep this up in the coming years
Best year since 2002 for the Seniors, not sure the last time both were in the Semi Final.
But unfortunately I felt the referee ignored a lot of infringements (especially offside) by Clongowes, they came in to it in the second half.
That break away try sealed it for them, the Castleknock heads were down at that point and mistakes were creeping in.
Castleknock tried to Chop the Wood today but were Knocked out of cup
Be interesting to see tomorrow if the Bridge can quench St Michael’s flaming swords or will the flaming Swords knock down the bridge
Both Scrumhalves impressed me.. Can see why Duggan is in schools squad.. Wonder why he was absent from Leinster schools. Gibbons very impressive at 13 too for Knock.
Brilliant.
